Any news on the web site status????? May 20 2004 at 5:13 AM Tim  Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group ...Has anyone heard what 50megs is going to do about the web site? Tim
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Forum Owner	Unfortunately... May 20 2004, 4:06 PM  ...the status is the same as far as I know. I did finally get the rest of the site downloaded to my hard drive. I just hope that the HD will hold out long enough for the replacement to get here... ...yes, I did just get a replacement HD a couple months ago... ...and it is already failing. I contacted Maxtor last week with the error codes. They had me download the new version of the HD Diagnostics and run tests again. I then replied to their email with the new error codes. They told me to go to their site and check warranty status and if still in warranty to fill out the form on-line to request an Advanced RMA - Advanced lets them ship the HD first and for me to return the faulty drive within 30 days following receipt of new drive. I still have the old faulty drive and have been requesting extensions on return which have been granted thus far. {Thus??? Who says thus?) To top things off I went to back up my HD to CD but now my burner has failed so I'm hoping I can get the new one and get the data copied before it is too late. As far as 50megs... ... ... ... ... {{{{{ thinking... }}}}}... ...I don't know what to do. There was a time when I would have been right on top of it until I got some kind of desirable results... ...I can't find that guy in me. c]:{
Laura Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	Brett, May 24 2004, 2:45 PM  How can I help? We won't loose our cyber home will we? Please let me know what I can do. Laura  p.s. what's with the frowny faces? It is kind of funny.
Sherry Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	"I can't find that guy in me." May 26 2004, 10:41 PM  He is still there Brett, maybe a little bruised and banged up right now but he is still there..... ~Sherry~

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EverOn Missing? May 12 2004 at 6:48 AM Roxanna  Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group Just tried to log in to other places for EverOn and got a 404 error. Is anyone else having this trouble? Had to go to Network54 to find the forum. Rox
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Bob T. Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	The host screwed up, I hope it's back soon. May 12 2004, 11:16 AM  Poor Brother Brett gets enough headaches from this stuff without more foul ups. Payment was made on January 28 to the web host. Brett was told previously payment would cover 8 months. The person who took payment didn't know about that, but said it would cover 6 months no matter what, and said that the 8 months issue should get straightened out. But the host's apparently computer never reflected any of that, and instead reflected that another payment would be due in early May, which I'm aware of because of another screw-up that got made in January as well. Now Brett has to either get the host to do the right thing, pay more money he shouldn't have to pay, or let EverOn be missing. I hope he can quickly get them to do the right thing. Hey, Brett, if you talk to them and they are not getting you back up, pronto, let me know, and maybe I can rattle a few cages in the right way. Remember, Ed is the guy you talked to in January who said 8 months. Bob T.
Bob T. Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	P.S. General advice and thoughts May 12 2004, 1:07 PM  I advise bookmarking both the Ever On home and the forum, because if one is down for some reason, the other may not be. The fact that you struggled to find the forum with Ever On down makes me wonder how many people who used to hang around gave up during the period of time, last last year through early this year, when EO was down and the forum was still up and running, because, like you, they got an error message when trying to access EO even though they could have gotten through to the forum directly. If you follow the advice to bookmark both, and try the forum if Ever On is down, or vice verse, then at least you will get to what is up and running at any time. I also wonder if it would make sense for EVERyONe to figure out some place to meet if the forum ever becomes unavailable for some extended period. One never knows what will happen in life -- Network 54 goes kablooey (or starts requiring something to access the forum that no one wants to do), or, heaven forbid, something happens to Brett and things aren't running, who knows. Life is not permanent. A week ago Saturday I was having a very nice chat at a Little League game with the grandfather of one of my 9 year old's teammates. He was a very friendly fellow in his early 50's, he came to most of the games in the first half of the season, and he was supportive of all the guys on the team and very friendly with the parents/grandparents and siblings of all the guys on the team. Two days later at the next game, we found out he had died of a heart attack on Sunday. After a game last night, the team presented his widow with a nice potted plant and she told the team that he is "still watching, rooting for you from up there." I don't mean to be depressing here, it is just that it brings to the front of my mind the fact that unforseen things happen in life, and it would be nice to have a back-up plan for the EO family to hang together in case something goes wrong. Anyone have any thoughts on that? Bob T.
Forum Owner	So far they don't seem to care... May 12 2004, 4:26 PM  First I called last afternoon after Bob called me (Thanks again Brother Bob) stating that 50megs had charged his card a 2nd time and that when he called and had it credited back they told him they would have to suspend the site but no data would be lost... ..I called the number Bob gave me... ...Billing was closed so I contacted technical support and explained that the web site was down, paid for, and needs to be brought back up... ...he said he was not billing so he couldn't do that but would I like to wait till he connected me with someone from that dept... ...I said that billing was closed and the site was down, paid for and needed to be brought back up... ...he said he was not billing so he couldn't do that but would I like to wait to be connected to a voice mail from someone in that dept... I said no, I would like to talk with a live person that has the authority to bring my web site back up being as it has been paid for through September... ...he said there was no-one there to do that but would I like to wait to be connected to a voice mail from someone in that dept.. I said sure... ...the voice mail voice said to leave a message and they would contact me - so I did - explaining about it billing Bob again for what was supposed to be a one time payment, January's payment, the two free months, last time payments from two different people paying, the 6 free months for messing things up then and ended the message... ... I got up this morning and waited awhile and after not hearing from them I looked for the phone number Bob gave me yesterday... ...not finding it I logged on and tried the site... ...still down... ...I tried to go to the administrator pages for Priority Support and it asked me to log in... ...I tried and it said invalid password... ...so I clicked the forgot password link and entered the email address attached to the account and had it emailed to me... ...when the email arrived I clicked the link in it to automatically log me in and the page came up stating invalid password... ...so, I got off the internet and called directory assistance and asked for 50megs or About Web Services in Orem, Utah being as I remembered that I had this same hassle when they messed things up last time... ...the lady said there were no listings for that but said there was an About Incorporated or something there so I took that long distance number... ...I called and selected the billing dept. and told the first person about it billing Bob again for what was supposed to be a one time payment, January's payment, the two free months, last time payments from two different people paying, the 6 free months for messing things up then and she said it it wasn't her fault and that she wasn't the billing department, although I had pressed the phone button to go there... ...after another 5 minutes on hold long distance I got Austin, you remember Austin don't you Bob? He said that the guy didn't work there anymore that took your card number and I replied that still is the responsibility of the company - not the guy who left. Well Austin kept doing nothing for me so I asked to speak to his manager... ...after 5 more minutes on hold long distance Harold came on... ...and I am very upset by this time so I start talking very loud... ...he says lets start at the beginning - so I try to start at the beginning and he speaks up and says if I don't let him finish he'll hang up and we won't get anything resolved... ...I said well you said to start at the beginning so I am... ...and he said are you going to let me finish... ...I said sure Harold... ...he said let's start at the beginning and then we can know the whole story and hopefully be able to come up with a solution... ...so why don't you tell me starting at the beginning what happened... ...I said Now Harold?... ...he said if your going to be a smart ass I'll hang up etc.... ...I said well I tried to tell you from the beginning but you wouldn't let me so I had to wait and hear you talk about starting from the beginning or you were going to hang up and so now I ask if it's okay to talk and you call me a smart ass... ...Somewhere in the conversation I had asked to speak with his manager, probably here and he said that it was against company policy and that I could go to http://hostmasters.freeservers.com to register a complaint... I think I asked him if it was company policy to call a customer a smart ass when they are upset that there website is down when they have it paid for through September... ...I said I want to complain to a live person so that I can get there name for reference and he said I couldn't because it is against company policy and that if we don't get on with it that he will have to hang up... ...I told him the problem and how everyone is passing the buck and he said well maybe you just don't need to host with us anymore... ...I wanted to know if that is their solution when a customer gets upset about a web site being taken down prematurely and I said that we've already paid through September and he said the records don't reflect that... ...he said that the records don't reflect being paid by two people back in 2002 - YOU TWO THAT PAID PLEASE SEE IF YOU CAN FIND RECORD OF IT SO I CAN SHOW THEM - THANKS... ...I had emails but the crash took them... ...now it looks like I have to run Ever On like a business and keep hard copies, records off site etc.... ...I also told about the 6 months that was comped at that time which was to give us 18 months and he said they have never given 6 months free... ...I said that they indeed did for messing something up back then... ...well, he doesn't care what I say...(maybe he was right... ...maybe instead of 6 months free I was comped two 3 month periods) ...he said that if I want the web site back up I have to pay and I said it was already paid for in January and he said that was credited back and I said no, the bill this month was credited back and he said no and that he can't help me and hung up. I had an anxiety attack, smashed my handset into the phone, smashed the phone into the wall and wept... ...been working in the computer field since 1976 and I have never treated a customer that way... ...been running a web site for 4 years and have never even treated those that come out to post distasteful messages... ...and here I cannot hardly catch a breath of air because of the panic attack because 50megs won't honor a business deal... ...oh yeah, Harold also stated that I am only one of about 50,000 customers... ...and so I feel like a number - and one of unimportance at that... ...so after what feels like an eternity (panic attacks always do) I log on and try to go to http://hostmasters.freeservers.com and it comes up saying that the site doesn't exist but the name is available if I want it so I try variations of that - http://hostmaster.freeservers.com; http://host.master.freeservers.com; http://host.master.freeservers.com and all read the same way - that the site doesn't exist but the name is available if I want to it - so I go to http://freeservers.com which is there and click on the contact us link at http://freeservers.com/contact.htm which says page not found... ...so, I come here and see what's happening and read the thread and start typing my reply... ...I just went and tried the contact page again and it now is available so I will go and see what I can do - and pray I don't have another anxiety attack. c]:{
Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	Hey Brett, how much of a problem... May 13 2004, 5:37 AM  ...would it be to get a different web host? At this point, I tend to agree with Harooold...as 50megs seems to suck!(I won't say this about Harooold, as it would be politicaly incorrect!) Being un-caring is one thing, being RUDE is all together different! I'm sure it's no easy task to build the site all over again...but I would help in any way I could if you decide to do it. I would think thier might be some new web hosts out there since last you went looking, so maybe thier's a better deals available now....? I think most of you have my e-mail, but it's here for those who don't...it's the one for the studio pewter. At least if the forum goes down we can stay in touch that way...unless Bob comes up with a better solution or another meeting place. I always thought life was supposed to get easier as you got older...more simple....I guess I forgot thier are snooty, mean sprited people out there that seem to take pleasure in making your life complicated and frustrating. I may have a clue as to Harooold's problem. Once, many years ago, I was on probation and my ex-wife (ex for a few years at that point) used to call my probation officer all the time and say, "Tim did this" or "Tim did That" and once I said to her "I don't understand why she does this" and my P O looked at me and said, "well Tim, I guess she just wants someone to be more misserable than she is"...... Harooold....you're work here is done and you may want to consider a different career path as you don't seem well suited to customer service! Yes I know Harooold will proly never see this....but I feel better!!!! !!!! Anyway...let me know if I can help somehow.... Tim
Denton	What if he does see it?? May 14 2004, 1:29 PM  Ya'll should be careful what you post. I am extremely turned off by your "trashing" which you all state in the terms of service is not acceptable. Maybe this poor Harold guy just had a rough day. Maybe there is just a misunderstanding. Ya'll should be ashamed to have posted these rude things. The internet is a vast, but a small world. What if he does see the things you have written? How would that feel. What if he went somewhere and wrote things like this about you. No sir, I don't think I want to be a member of this group. Thanks anyway. -D
Forum Owner	Where do you get this "MAYBE" at... ...and Brother Bob - Please rattle some cages... May 14 2004, 4:50 PM  ...there is no maybe about the fact that the web site is down... ...there is no maybe about the fact that the manager of an entire building of workers called me a smart ass because I happen to be majorly angry that we're being ripped off and no one will step up to the plate and accept responsibilty for their actions... ...there is no maybe about the fact that different employees of 50megs keep passing the buck stating things like "I didn't do it." "That guy doesn't work here any more."... ...there is no maybe about the fact that I was told I can't speak to Harold's manager and instead I could register my complaint via a web site and sent to a web site that doesn't exist... ...there is no maybe about the fact that when I tell the employees that I can't find the web site that none of them tell me where I can go to register my complaint... ...there is no maybe about the fact that when I send my complaint via the abuse link at abuse@freeservers.com?subject=Freeserver Abuse being as I know nowhere else to send it, and they are part of the 50megs family, that I haven't received even a reply stating that I may need to send it somewhere else - and I have a verification that the email was received (See email below and verification it was received)... there is no maybe about the fact that the money was paid but only a partial delivery of the goods was received... ...there is no maybe about the fact that I had to ask them last night to let me download my site to my hard drive (500mb with a 56k is going to take a while - I had previously downloaded in alphabetical order to the "M" in the list.) and I had to call them again today to allow me in to download and they said I can be in there till 9pm tonight when they go home for the weekend. I tried to explain how much stuff I have to download and was told all she has authority to do is turn it on till 9pm... ...there is no maybe about the fact that my dad's in the hospital and I'm here trying to save literally "Thousands" of hours of work. Maybe it was not you who got ripped off... Maybe it was not you that has had problems with this company in prior billing instances and had to scramble to get it straightened out, only to find that the company doesn't hold to it's word. Maybe it's not you who will have to come up with the money to pay another host for services that should be good through September with this one ( 50megs not Network54 - Network54 is doing a fine job) Maybe it is not you who will have to re-submit the web site to all the search engines to have it properly listed with the correct url. Maybe it is not you who will have to track down the different sites listed on to ask them to change there web site to reflect the new url... ...such as RollingStone.com - which we were listed on there a few days ago but can't finmd it today... ...maybe because they might have checked the link and found there was no site. And if it is all because Harold had a bad day, which is no excuse for belittling a customer whether it be a new customer or one of four years as we are, no matter how angry the customer is, then he has had two days to set it straight and has not... ...maybe his whole week has been bad and I'll have to wait until next week when maybe Harold will call me up and say "I'm sorry Brett, I was having a bad week. And I'm sorry we messed things up with your account. And I'm sorry we charged Bob's card when we were not authorized to do so. And I'm sorry you could not go visit your Dad in the hospital. And I'm sorry you could not get into your account for priority support when it is clear that you needed it. And I'm sorry we did not contact you and tell you that we were going to take your web site down or that there was a billing problem, although that billing problem was actually an error on our part. And I'm sorry that the only way you knew it was down was because a visitor to your site found it gone and posted as such - and then luckily your close enough to many of your visitors that one of them with your phone number could call you and tell you the status. What can we do to make it right? You have been a good customer for 4 years and deserve better service and we here at 50megs would like a chance to show you that we really are professionals and can give you the service that you need." Maybe I'm a dreamer, and maybe I'm a fool... Brother Bob... ...anything you or anyone else can do to help would be greatly appreciated. I'm at my wits end and I hate being witless. Start Of Email I Sent-------------------------------------------------- Would abuse also be one human being belittling another? If so I would like to register a complaint about one of your managers - Harold, that called me a Smart Ass and I have a witness as I had Harold on speaker phone at the time. I am the creator of http://everon.50megs.com which was created as a one page web site back on July 2, 2000 and has now grown to close to 500mb - and 400 pages, listed with all the search engines, listed on RollingStone Magazine On-line http://www.rollingstone.com/artists/default.asp?oid=590, known all over the world with visitors and contributors from as far away as Germany, Italy and Thailand as well as across this country from California to New York and paid for by myself with money and a lot of hared work as well as contributions by visitors in way of money, hardware, hard work, talent and friendliness. Below is the story which I copied out of the post I put at my forum letting the visitors to the site know what is going on... ...luckily the forum is not a part of 50megs: Start of post----------------------------------------------------------- First I called last afternoon after Bob called me (Thanks again Brother Bob) stating that 50megs had charged his card a 2nd time and that when he called and had it credited back they told him they would have to suspend the site but no data would be lost... ..I called the number Bob gave me... ...Billing was closed so I contacted technical support and explained that the web site was down, paid for, and needs to be brought back up... ...he said he was not billing so he couldn't do that but would I like to wait till he connected me with someone from that dept... ...I said that billing was closed and the site was down, paid for and needed to be brought back up... ...he said he was not billing so he couldn't do that but would I like to wait to be connected to a voice mail from someone in that dept... I said no, I would like to talk with a live person that has the authority to bring my web site back up being as it has been paid for through September... ...he said there was no-one there to do that but would I like to wait to be connected to a voice mail from someone in that dept.. I said sure... ...the voice mail voice said to leave a message and they would contact me - so I did - explaining about it billing Bob again for what was supposed to be a one time payment, January's payment, the two free months, last time payments from two different people paying, the 6 free months for messing things up then and ended the message... ... I got up this morning and waited awhile and after not hearing from them I looked for the phone number Bob gave me yesterday... ...not finding it I logged on and tried the site... ...still down... ...I tried to go to the administrator pages for Priority Support and it asked me to log in... ...I tried and it said invalid password... ...so I clicked the forgot password link and entered the email address attached to the account and had it emailed to me... ...when the email arrived I clicked the link in it to automatically log me in and the page came up stating invalid password... ...so, I got off the internet and called directory assistance and asked for 50megs or About Web Services in Orem, Utah being as I remembered that I had this same hassle when they messed things up last time... ...the lady said there were no listings for that but said there was an About Incorporated or something there so I took that long distance number... ...I called and selected the billing dept. and told the first person about it billing Bob again for what was supposed to be a one time payment, January's payment, the two free months, last time payments from two different people paying, the 6 free months for messing things up then and she said it it wasn't her fault and that she wasn't the billing department, although I had pressed the phone button to go there... ...after another 5 minutes on hold long distance I got Austin, you remember Austin don't you Bob? He said that the guy didn't work there anymore that took your card number and I replied that still is the responsibility of the company - not the guy who left. Well Austin kept doing nothing for me so I asked to speak to his manager... ...after 5 more minutes on hold long distance Harold came on... ...and I am very upset by this time so I start talking very loud... ...he says lets start at the beginning - so I try to start at the beginning and he speaks up and says if I don't let him finish he'll hang up and we won't get anything resolved... ...I said well you said to start at the beginning so I am... ...and he said are you going to let me finish... ...I said sure Harold... ...he said let's start at the beginning and then we can know the whole story and hopefully be able to come up with a solution... ...so why don't you tell me starting at the beginning what happened... ...I said Now Harold?... ...he said if your going to be a smart ass I'll hang up etc.... ...I said well I tried to tell you from the beginning but you wouldn't let me so I had to wait and hear you talk about starting from the beginning or you were going to hang up and so now I ask if it's okay to talk and you call me a smart ass... ...Somewhere in the conversation I had asked to speak with his manager, probably here and he said that it was against company policy and that I could go to http://hostmasters.freeservers.com to register a complaint... I think I asked him if it was company policy to call a customer a smart ass when they are upset that there website is down when they have it paid for through September... ...I said I want to complain to a live person so that I can get there name for reference and he said I couldn't because it is against company policy and that if we don't get on with it that he will have to hang up... ...I told him the problem and how everyone is passing the buck and he said well maybe you just don't need to host with us anymore... ...I wanted to know if that is their solution when a customer gets upset about a web site being taken down prematurely and I said that we've already paid through September and he said the records don't reflect that... ...he said that the records don't reflect being paid by two people back in 2002 - YOU TWO THAT PAID PLEASE SEE IF YOU CAN FIND RECORD OF IT SO I CAN SHOW THEM - THANKS... ...I had emails but the crash took them... ...now it looks like I have to run Ever On like a business and keep hard copies, records off site etc.... ...I also told about the 6 months that was comped at that time which was to give us 18 months and he said they have never given 6 months free... ...I said that they indeed did for messing something up back then... ...well, he doesn't care what I say...(maybe he was right... ...maybe instead of 6 months free I was comped two 3 month periods) ...he said that if I want the web site back up I have to pay and I said it was already paid for in January and he said that was credited back and I said no, the bill this month was credited back and he said no and that he can't help me and hung up. I had an anxiety attack, smashed my handset into the phone, smashed the phone into the wall and wept... ...been working in the computer field since 1976 and I have never treated a customer that way... ...been running a web site for 4 years and have never even treated those that come out to post distasteful messages... ...and here I cannot hardly catch a breath of air because of the panic attack because 50megs won't honor a business deal... ...oh yeah, Harold also stated that I am only one of about 50,000 customers... ...and so I feel like a number - and one of unimportance at that... ...so after what feels like an eternity (panic attacks always do) I log on and try to go to http://hostmasters.freeservers.com and it comes up saying that the site doesn't exist but the name is available if I want it so I try variations of that - http://hostmaster.freeservers.com; http://host.master.freeservers.com; http://host.master.freeservers.com and all read the same way - that the site doesn't exist but the name is available if I want to it - so I go to http://freeservers.com which is there and click on the contact us link at http://freeservers.com/contact.htm which says page not found... ...so, I come here and see what's happening and read the thread and start typing my reply... ...I just went and tried the contact page again and it now is available so I will go and see what I can do - and pray I don't have another anxiety attack. End of post------------------------------------------------------------ Oh yeah, Ed is the one that comped me two free months for 50megs taking it down prematurely the last time and he still works for 50megs. So if it was taken down prematurely last time I am owed the time it was down PLUS those 2 months Ed comped PLUS the 6 months paid for in January which adding the 6 months plus just the 2 months is 8 months and 8 months from January 28 is September 28 - NOT MAY 11. That is 4 1/2 months early any way you slice it. Add on the time it was down last time that it should not have been because it was taken down early. And what will be done to compensate me for the mess up this time? Web site down prematurely, long distance phone calls, time wasted trying to log into my account for "Priority Support" which was paid for, time spent trying to track down a phone number through directory assistance, time spent trying to find that web site which I couldn't find to register a complaint, time spent trying to get to this contact page which wouldn't come up at first, time spent typing this up. I have spent part of yesterday and most of today on this issue... ...and when I last worked I earned $32.00 an hour for Honeywell International in their Information Services Dept. until my disability would no longer allow me to go... ...whose going to compensate me for this time I should not need to be spending on this issue because it should not be happening... ...and never in those years since joining the computer industry in 1976 have I ever treated a customer that way... ...and many have got a lot louder, and many have called me names, but I never called them names as Harold did me today... ...and I did not return the name calling to Harold either. So... ...now I don't know what to do. I told Harold the site has been paid for and that I live on a disability fixed income and can't afford to pay again for the web site to come back up... ...and I don't know where to register a complaint... ...maybe the attorney generals office. Brett M. Smith http://everon.50megs.com 1916 N. Macdonald Mesa, AZ 85201 480-588-6492 End Of Email I Sent--------------------------------------------------- Start of verification that email was received---------------------------- -----Original Message----- From: System Administrator [postmaster@northsky.com] Sent: Wednesday, May 12, 2004 3:46 PM To: ever_on@netzero.net Subject: Delivered: Freeserver Abuse Importance: High <<Freeserver Abuse>> Your message To: abuse@freeservers.com Subject: Freeserver Abuse Sent: Wed, 12 May 2004 16:41:40 -0600 was delivered to the following recipient(s): About Web Services Kana on Wed, 12 May 2004 16:45:30 -0600 END of verification that email was received---------------------------- c]:{
Forum Owner	Denton... May 14 2004, 9:31 PM  ...Ya'll should be careful what you post. I was turned off by your "trashing" which you state in the terms of discussing what service should and should not be is not acceptable, but then realized we all have differences of opinions on various subjects - which is perfectly okay. But after seeing what is going on here I don't understand why one would side with an organization that doesn't make good on a business deal. If you went to the store and paid for a weeks worth of groceries to be delivered, I don't believe you would accept it if they only delivered enough for 1/2 the week. I don't think you would want to let it slide even if the action was because someone was having a bad day. I believe that you may forgive the person for having the bad day but would still insist on getting the rest of your groceries... ...especially if you had not the money for more at that time. Maybe this poor Brett guy just had a rough day, or even a rough year, albeit mostly brought on by his own wrong choices. Maybe there is a misunderstanding... ...he thought he understood that he would get 8 months of service when told he would. He stands corrected. I would say you should be ashamed to have posted these rude things but I don't believe anyone should feel shame... guilt is a better word than shame but I won't tack that one on you either... ...shame denotes that the person is bad, guilt denotes that the action is bad... ...but I believe we all have a right to voice our opinions if done so with some degree of civility which you have done... ...but... ...the internet is a vast, but a small world. What if Brett does see the things you have written after he took the time to write you and the other new member whose applications he approved last night such a nice welcome letter. But that's okay, I forgive you... ...maybe you were just having a bad day. Signed, ----Brett c]:{ PS... ...by the way... ...are you only going to sign up for a Dan Fogelberg Forum and only post one time... ...never even discussing anything Dan related? C'mon what was the first lp you heard... ...favorite song, concert, memories... ...that's the reason I have spent thousands of hours on this site... ...and many here have helped me in many ways... ...so we can have a place to meet and talk of our love of the music, the lyrics, the way his hands seem to effortlessly and delicately become one with the instrument and his voice that of an herald angel, to create a sound that takes you to your beginnings and beyond, takes you to a place of timelessness, mystery and wonderment... ...a place where dreams become reality if only for the span of that particular song... ...but... ...those few moments are a gift from beyond our memories... ...and once again we are in the heavens... ...if only for the moment. Welcome to Ever On!
Denton	Maybe you're a psycho May 16 2004, 1:26 AM  Yeah, I think that's all I really have to say....
Forum Owner	Thank you... ...I take that as a compliment... May 16 2004, 5:43 PM  ...the nicest thing I've heard all day... I Have been striving my entire life to accomplish psychoism... ...I'm glad that I have finally accomplished my lifelong dream... ...I can hardly wait to call my brother Mont and tell him... ...you see, he bet me he would achieve this goal before me as it is a lifelong ambition of him as well... ...and my dear Mother will be so proud of her baby boy. Godbye Denton... ...sorry you couldn't stay for the after dinner show. c]:{
Tim Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	Denton...sorry if my comments... May 15 2004, 6:39 AM  ...upset you and don't judge a book by it's cover. I have been around this site for so long now it's like my home away from home and I have even joked that Brett is my best friend I've never met, but I was only half joking. Brett and I, through messenger and phone calls have become VERY good friends...almost like extended family, if you will. When Brett has a problem...so then do I. If we( I ) all came on too strong about this, it's only because we've been here long enough too have experienced the other problems with 50megs and thier have been a few. I can tell you for a fact that I was having a bad day when I spouted off and I can also tell you for a fact that Brett's day(week, month, year) has been worse! We all sometimes say things we later wish we hadn't(whether they are true or not) and I'm more than sure no one intended to offend. So...please do as Brett asked and tell us about your your favorite Dan song (for instance)and give it a chance around here...we're really nice people...really we are!! Tim PS Did you read back aways in the post's... I was lucky enough to be the first to get tickets for this years tour !! !!
Rox Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	HELLO and.... May 15 2004, 12:23 PM  ...Welcome Denton- sorry about your first impression, but the folks here are really quite lovely. With all the hard work Brett has put in to this web site, it would be a flat shame if it were lost. Now come on back and tell about your self and your Dan connection! Rox (or Roxanna or PC or me)
Sherry Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group                                                                                                     Sherry Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	Denton..... This is quite late as I have a computer that doesn't want to work right and then has had a little virus! And also, I like my computer don't always work right either...... Sooooo, I am here to Welcome you to Ever On. It is really the nicest Dan message board to come too. The posters here are as Tim says like 'one big family'. I have personally meet many of the folks who post here and I have to say that they are some of the nicest people I have ever had the privilage to know. Denton, I have known Brett for five years and he is one of the most honest, giving, caring, up-front kind of guy. You stated in your post that maybe Harold was having a rough day...perhaps he was but that doesn't make it OK to be calling a customer a 'bad name' (I am not even going to retype it). Harold has been trained to deal with any kind of problems, otherwise he would not/should not be in customer service. You never once in your post mention what was said and being done to Brett. I am just sitting here wondering what the purpose of your post was for. I have been posting here since Brett opened this Forum, infact I was the first poster! It just appears to me that you came here to "trash" (your words, not mine) someone. We are hear to talk about Dan, his music, what it means to us as individuals, etc. We also get off topic at times and talk about just about anything else but we never call each other names. No matter if we are having a bad day or week or month or year or life! There are a few of us that have gone through some rough times lately but we still gather here to talk about Dan and see how each one of us are doing. This Forum has always welcomed everyone with open arms. So, Denton Welcome to Ever On. Come here to talk about Dan and his music, how many concerts you have been to, etc. But don't come here to talk bad about someone here. Especially someone who has put blood, sweat and tears into this site. This place would not be here without Brett and I know that he has worked hard to make it a nice place to visit. Denton, are you going to a concert this tour? Or is Dan not touring in your part of the country. You typed ya'll in one of your posts, makes me wonder if you are from the South. I am! If you are then perhaps Dan will be close enough for you to enjoy a concert. Perhaps you were having a rough day when you posted Denton, I certainly hope so..... ~Sherry~   Thanks... May 28 2004, 1:59 PM  ...and isn't going on 6 years now. I was thinking it was when Diana and I split up and I moved into an apartment. That was shortly after I bought my first PC... ...well maybe 6 months or so after. I think I got it in 1997... ...quite the hold out on purchasing one considering I had worked in the computer industry since 1976... ...at least two versions of Windows was already out... ...3.1 and 95. Don't know if there was any others around that time being as I was on disability from 92-96 before returning to work... {{{ thinking here - somehow it went to my fingers and I  typed my thoughts }}} ...I remember opening my computer books in December of '95 hoping  to be ready to return to work by February of '96... ...before the month ended I received a phone call from CDI Corporation wanting to interview me... ...I had not sent any résumé's out in 3 years... ...I told them about being on disability and being in the process of studying my books in preparation... ...he asked if would be okay to have a technical interviewer call me up anyway... ...I said sure... at least it would be good practice and would show me where I needed the most help... ...well during the interview I had a little problem with IMS DB(IMS is an IBM hierarchical database - DB or DL/1 is the batch programming - batch meant that the transactions are not updated real time mode but are 'batched' and then processed at a later date/time when the users are off the computers and the databases are brought down/closed so the batch programs can run and update the databases). BUT, I did well enough that they hired me. I told them I couldn't start until February when I was planning on getting my license... ...they said no problem and hired me on at 40k. God works in mysterious ways... ...had not sent out a resume' in 3 years or worked in nearly 4 and now I had a job lined up. Then in February I didn't get my license as expected but... ...it turned out that a friend of my Mother worked in the building next to the one I would be working in and she lived nearby so I could carpool. I soon had my license, then a fire engine red Camaro (Never had a muscle car before - always a truck dude so I gave it a try - it was fun but sold it and bought the 3/4 Ton 454ci 4x4 GMC Suburban a year later - ahhh - nice to be in a truck again). Worked hard and whenever jobs would come in that we had no-one with those programming skills I would take on the assignment... ...thats how I learned IMS DC - the on-line programming compliment of IMS DB that allows transactions to updated immediately upon entering in the computer. I also had this web site up and running for three weeks before I opened a book on building web sites - and that book didn't have the answer I wanted anyway - it was printed in erro with 3 chapters missing - including information on cookies - those liitle things web sites put on your computer to remember you when you come back - or some are used to spy on you and track what you do - sending information back to their computers for analysis) Two years later I'm up to 63k and being hired on by Allied Signal now known as Honeywell Incorporated since aquiring Honeywell in 1999 or 2000. I had done programming for many different Allied Signal sites as a contractor but was hired on by Fluid, Power and Auxiliary Systems in Tempe, AZ because the manager liked the way I had handled a project the year before... ...he had wanted me to write 20 or so mainframe (the BIG computers you see in movies that take up entire rooms) programs and supply him with the data so in a file to download to client server (PC) so it then could be fed into ACCESS databases when he finds a programmer to set them up and write the programs to make GUI applications (pronounced gooey - rhymes Huey as in Lewis and the News - stand for Graphical User Interface - this browser window you are looking at is a GUI application - so is windows explorer, all the things that pop up when you use windows are GUI - without GUI we would be back to DOS (Disk Operating System) only - not as fun - commands such as c:>copy c:\bretts\music\telltent.txt d:\audvid\music\bretts\telltent.txt - this would copy the text file 'telltent.txt' from the directory (same as folder in windows) 'music' which is in the directory 'bretts' which is on hard drive 'c' to the directory 'bretts' in the directory 'music' in the directory 'audvid' on hard drive 'd' - if all those exist and you typed it correctly - otherwise you would get something like 'invalid command or file name' or something similar and have to type it in again after finding your error - the f3 function key on the top row of the keyboard will put the last command you typed back on the prompt line which may save you a couple key strokes if the error is towards the end of the line) 'audvid' would be a audio & video folder but in DOS only 8 characters are allowed for naming so you have to be creative with those 8 characters - if you go to your dos prompt from windows and type dir c: it will give you a directory listing of hard drive c but only that top level and not any thing in any of the sub-directories ie folders - so when you do this you will see one called 'windows' which is the same as if you look at it in windows explorer because it is only seven characters - but you will see 'mydocu~1' instead of 'my documents' - it removed the space and the last 2 characters are ~1. if you had another folder called 'my documents and music' dos would display it as 'mydocu~2' I do believe - now you know why Bill Gates is the wealthy geek that he is - even us hard core programmers love GUI - yes, I love being a GUI Geek) - okay, so I told Dave that I could do th GUI stuff too which surprised him - many people are either Mainframe (also known as legacy systems) programmers and may know a specialty such as COBOL IMS or COBOL DB2 (Relational vs. Hierarchical Database) or CICS etc. or they are PC programmers - well I knew both because when PC's started getting more powerful and able to hold more data it was easy to see that the future would mean programs running on the desktop - so Basic, COBOL (COmmon Business Oriented Language, COBOL II, COBOL IMS DB and DC (Learned DC in one those read the book while you write the program projects), Mark IV, JCL, Transform Logic (Generated programming code by supplying parameters to the system), ACCESS, Oracle, HTML, GCOS are a few of the programming languages I have programmed in) anyway - Had to take a 6 month leave of absence shortly after joining Allied Signal when the panic attacks first hit... ...I think I met you right before they hit... ...hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm... OKay - who hit me on the head? Thanks for the kind words Sherry. It was meeting neat people like you when I came on the internet in '97 - '98 that made me want to include a forum as a part of Ever On - and I now have friends around the world because of it... ...so, thank you for being who you are - had it not been you, this may not exist... ...dang, still forgot to email Marvin... ...and I listen to his music several times a week - Circle Of Dreams, Instrumental #6 - I think that's the one that has the upbeat jazzy sound, TAPITWFAG, and when people are over and say PLAY SOMETHING A LITTLE HARDER I put on the long haired wig similar to Marvin (aka Paul Stanley) and play Got to Choose. Where is he anyway - hasn't posted in uggh, FOREVER. DENTON won't be able to answer your post... ...got out of hand and 86'd before the dinner show - I know it was a psychotic move on my part but what does one expect from a psycho - to be a normalton - not this country boy c]:{ hey - haven't seen your indian princess in a while - where is she? c]:{   Brett, May 13 2004, 5:56 AM  Sorry that you had such an horrid experience. It never ceases to amaze me how some people in Customer Service treats the customer. I wonder how they are able to keep their job. There is no way that it is acceptable that a customer service rep to call a customer a 'name' under any circimstances. They have been train to encounter anything that could/would happen. That person, Harold is definitely not a Professional. Hang in there Brett, don't let the anxiety get the best of you. I know that is easier said than done. Have you ever done Yoga? More so for learning how to really breathe deep.....taking a lot of air into your lungs and holding it for the count of 10 and then slowing letting it go during the count of 10. You must take your breath into your lungs and fill them up and not breathe into your abdomen. Sounds like a pop quiz here! But it does help....getting that oxygen into your body so that it can go to your brain will help alot. Good luck with the people at Network 54, maybe Bob T. will be able to help you. ~Sherry~
Bob T. Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	A small suggestion. May 13 2004, 12:11 PM  You seem to be having little luck going to the top. If you are not getting anywhere, maybe you need to go back to the bottom. Ed is the name of the guy you talked to last January who said you would get 8 months. Have a calm conversation with Ed, and see if you can jog his memory and get him to agree as to what you guys agreed to in January (calling late afternoon won't work, because Ed is gone by then). I wasn't there when you talked to Ed, but if Ed told you 8 months from the date of payment, the company is bound to 8 months. I can tell you that Matt said he didn't know what Ed worked out, but it would be at least 6 months from the date of payment, and 8 if Ed worked a deal with you. Even if Matt doesn't work there anymore, the company would be bound by what Matt said. I personally can tell you that no matter what, the company is in breach of contract for failing to give you 6 months, because that is what Matt said was going to, AT A MINIMUM, happen in exchange for my payment. If everything is failing, let me know, maybe we can get our heads together and figure out and appropriate way to twist some arms. Bob T.
Bookmarking to Favorites.... Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	Sherry May 13 2004, 5:30 AM  Bob T. I have both Ever On home and the Forum in my favorites. I had mentioned to Roxanna if she had been to the forum because no matter which way I came to the forum, there had been no activity from May 4th. I was able to access but didn't see any posts until Steve B. posted on the 10th, and then there was no response to his post. I didn't post because it takes me awhile to decide what I would want to hear!!! You know, you have to keep whittling it down!! As for a meeting place; I think that the majority of us Easterners have each other phone numbers/addresses and such. I wouldn't know how to get in touch with anyone west of the Mississippi except for Brett. Though a contingent plan would be a good one. No life is not permanent, that is one thing that we are certain of. A friend that I had babysat for when she and her brother were small just lost her Father this past Friday. They lost their mother in '98. My friend is not 40 yet, though her brother is (two years older). That is something that I cannot imagine as my parents are in their 70's and 80's. I have been very fortunate but worries are lurking there in the back of my mind. I hope that Brett can get things straightened out with Network 54. ~Sherry~
Sherry Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	Apparently....... May 13 2004, 5:44 AM  I typed my name and title in the wrong lines!!! That is what happens when I try to read on post at EO with these glasses on! Can't see a thing out of them! Have to feel my way around! Sorry for the crazy name and title of my last post! ~Sherry~
Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	I put a.... May 13 2004, 5:48 AM  ....shortcut right on my desktop so I don't even have to open my browser. I too was thinking about a reply for Steve B and also have trouble getting it down to a "small" list. I actually like Steve's list, but, as you might expect from me.....I would add "Nature of the game" and "Leader of the Band" (I know, I know! It"s kind of commercial, but, I like it cause he sings about his dad) Do you suppose thier's any chance he'd just play EVERTHING he ever wrote????? Nah.....me either Tim
Miss Magnolia Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	Ya'll... May 13 2004, 5:17 PM  as someone who checks this board on an average twice a day-I was concerned that it wasn't working and wondered what had happened. What I was told to do to get it back was to go to Yahoo, then Dan Fogelberg Forum and then hit cached, it worked and here I am. We do need a place to meet when things don't go as planned-at least to let us know what has happened. Calm, peaceful thoughts to all, Magnolia

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I'm over at the psycho's house May 20 2004 at 12:14 AM     Forum Owner and starting to feel pretty psycho myself ...ohhhhhhhhh no it's contagious.... {{{ insert psycho face here }}}.... just wanted to say hi and hello, hope EVERy ONe is doing great...life is wonderful....love and smiles to all ....Sandi c]:{
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Tim Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	Miss Sandi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! May 20 2004, 5:10 AM  ...How are you doing???!!!!!! It's great to hear from you....I've missed you. Glad all is well and I hope you'll be around more. Don't worry about the "psycho' rubbing off on you...it's been my experience that it's a GOOD psycho...and well...if it isn't...they make pills for it now!! !! Tim
Laura Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	How are you girl? May 24 2004, 2:41 PM  It is so good to hear from you Sandi! I am so happy that all is well. I really miss your poetry. I hope you will be able to see Dan this go round. Yes? You and Brett should come out East to visit Tim or myself or Bob T.(I think he lives out here)and go to the concert with one of us. I don't have tickets yet, but will probably end up seeing him in PA. as that is the closest place, I think. I have a friend who will go with me providing she is still living here,they may move to Vermont, BOO HOO!They live in Williamsburg now which is an hr. away. I will be devistated if they leave me. I saw them Saturday night for the first time since Thanksgiving. It was too long to go in between visits. I had missed her 60th birthday party do to a new job nd them changing the work schedule on me. I took her,her gift this weekend. I have been a little depressed lately with all the major life changes I have had. I figured coming here to visit would only make me feel better, and I was right. It is very good to see you here Sandy. Tim is right, Brett is a good Psycho and a laugh a minute. I am so thankful for him and this place to call cyber home. Love ya, Laura
Sherry Dan Fogelberg ~ Ever On Group	Hey Sandi..... May 26 2004, 10:37 PM  Better be careful if you are hanging out at the Psycho's house. There is no telling what will happen to you!! Glad to hear that 'life is wonderful' for you. Make sure that life stays wonderful for Brett also.......... ~Sherry~

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